In this episode of Lessons from a Quitter, we dive into the root causes of burnout and why so many of us struggle to rest. Drawing from years of coaching, I break down how capitalism, schooling, religion, and cultural expectations tie our self-worth to constant productivity. We explore why slowing down feels uncomfortable, why rest is often judged as laziness, and how these beliefs keep us stuck in cycles of exhaustion. This episode challenges you to rethink worthiness, confront the discomfort of rest, and begin building a life defined by joy and ease—not endless busyness.
Ep. 371: Why High Achievers Keep Burning Out
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Burnout, Rest, and Reworking Worthiness
Hello my friends and welcome to another episode. I'm so excited to have you here. I'm doing a little new setup, so let me know what you think if like, the sound is better if you kind of like this format. I'm trying out a new software, so if you're watching it on YouTube, um, lemme know what you think. Okay.
I realize I rant about certain topics a lot in my, uh, community, in the, in the Quitter Club, which is my membership, which is where I do a lot of my coaching. And so the same things come O up over and over again. And I try to the best of my ability to bring a lot of that to the podcast. But I was looking over some past podcasts and I was like, I definitely don't talk about burnout enough on the podcast, which is a interesting thing 'cause it's like a major tenet, a major theme in everything I coach on because everybody is burned out.
And so I figured I would bring some more of it here. We actually just did a six week. Burnout Breakthrough Accelerator, where I sort of [00:01:00] condensed really the most important teachings that I think you need to kind of know about and implement, start implementing in your life if you're ever gonna overcome or burnout.
I'm actually thinking about just publishing that on the podcast like each week instead of a podcast episode, putting that on. Um, but I haven't decided yet, so no promises. At some point I'll make it available. I'm just trying to figure out what the best way that is to make that available to everybody.
But that is just to say that I've been doing that break, um, accelerator, kind of that class for six weeks. And so burnout is a lot on my mind and how I, I've been thinking a lot about like, how do I help people? Overcome it and how do I help people even notice it and start thinking about it differently?
And so I wanted to do a couple episodes that are gonna be about that. And I say this, like I'm sort of giving you a glimpse into how my mind works. I've jumped all over the place, so it's like I wanted to talk to you originally. This whole episode was [00:02:00] gonna be about. Something I recently implemented, which is taking Fridays and Mondays off, and I wanna talk about how I came to that decision, but then I start thinking about that and brainstorming that.
And then I'm like, well, we need to talk about this and then, but first we need to talk about this, but we need to great. Lay the groundwork for this. And so then I get like three episodes deep and I'm like, well, I can't talk about that until I do all this stuff. So that's, I'm taking you on a journey. I don't even know how long it's gonna be.
I don't know how many episodes, but hopefully. It'll be helpful and you'll come along for the ride. Um, but that's all to say. I did wanna sort of lay the groundwork about why everybody is so burned out and how I want you to sort of think about it in a little bit of a different way. Why it's so important to start reframing it.
Uh, because the people around you are not gonna do that for you. You have to do that for yourself. Unfortunately, no one is gonna save us. And if we want to have. More rest. If we want to have more joy. If we want [00:03:00] to just have a life that does not feel like we're on a hamster wheel all the time, we're the ones that have to make the changes.
And I think one of the biggest things that you have to get really okay with, clear with is that it's not gonna be celebrated. Like we're all so used to external validation and needing people to clap for us. And so that's sort of what got us into this mess, right? That's sort of like what got us to give 110% and always do a plus work and do all of these things that like made us quote unquote successful, right?
Made us like the top of the class, the, the a plus student, the, you know, star employee, whatever it is that we were going after. And we felt good for a hot second for a little bit. We got to feel good about ourselves. Until we felt exhausted and we're crashing out because we never get to sleep and we never get time off, and we never get time to enjoy the things we want.
And so when you are in a society like that, [00:04:00] when you decide to rest, when you decide to take time off, that's not something people are cheering. Like that's not something that people are. You know, they might say like, oh, good for you. But then secretly they're still drinking the Kool-Aid, so it's like, oh, she has really gotten really lazy, or she's really given up on herself, or whatever.
You know, the a, the sayings might be, and you sort of have to be okay with that. Your decision has to be, do I want a life where I get to actually enjoy myself? Um, or do I want everyone to think I'm good enough? Because if you look around for all of us, our productivity has become. Our self-worth, right? Our productivity has become that badge of honor.
What happens when you ask people how they are? What's like the number one answer? You get busy. Ugh, I'm just so busy. We're all so busy. Think about it. Like you wouldn't answer that way if there was a bad connotation with that, right? We all, and we all are busy. It's not to say we're gonna talk about that.
We all are extremely busy because we keep packing our lives [00:05:00] with all of these things that we don't want to do, and it requires us to be like, Hey. I don't wanna do this anymore. This is not working for me. Okay. And so that's what I wanna talk to you about. We're gonna sort of bring it back a little bit because I want you to really understand where this need and this drive to constantly be productive comes from.
I think for a lot of us, we think, well, I just feel better when I do things. I just feel better when I get through my to-do list. I just feel better when I have a product like productive day, right? You likely feel worse when you don't, when you're procrastinating or you know, you spend all day and you're like.
What did I even get done today? Like I didn't even do anything and you feel like crap and then you beat yourself up and you're like, oh, this feels terrible. So I've just learned that like when I actually like push myself and get myself in gear and get things done, then I can feel good. Then I feel okay.
So it's like it's just the way, the [00:06:00] thing that makes me feel good. It's not just anything, right? It's been purposefully and over decades and decades ingrained in you that you are only allowed to feel good when you get things done right. It's not like it's just magically like humans are born and we just like to be productive.
That's not a thing. In fact, I would say the opposite is the thing. If you look at human nature, if you look at how we are, how most animals are, we would spend most of our time actually resting. 'cause that's what your body needs. If you look at how the brain works, the brain is not meant to focus for long periods of time.
It truly cannot sustain it. Your brain is what uses most of the energy comparative to its size, by the way, not like most energy in your body, but like comparative to its size. It. You needs the most calories because it is the thing that is working the hardest, right? And part of your brain's entire goal is to be as automatic as possible to conserve energy because your entire body's goal is to stay alive.
That's it. Your brain's [00:07:00] job is to stay alive. It does not care if you're happy. It doesn't care if you met your goals. It doesn't care if you are gonna get a promotion. It needs you to be alive. And so. If you've noticed that our brain very quickly creates kind of, um, patterns that become automatic when you, like, don't notice how you're driving to work or whatnot, right?
'cause you're taking the same route that is by design. 'cause your brain can't constantly be like, as a good example, you know, when you drive somewhere new, if you're gonna a new city. You're hyper aware of everything. You're constantly having to scan. You need to know like what street is this? Is it this one?
Do I turn left here or Right? Right. You're using a lot of energy 'cause you don't know what the hell you're doing and so you're trying to figure it out. Once you've done it a couple of times, your brain's like, all right, we got this. We know it's the second right. Then another left and then we park there.
Right. I know what I'm doing and so I don't have to be as vigilant. I don't have to be, as you know, awake. And so you sort of go on this automatic mode. That's all to say that is the entire kind of point of what your body is supposed to do. If you look [00:08:00] at, um, 90% of human history, they've done tons and tons of studies and they look at like hunter gatherers, societies, and what anthropologists are now finding is that people used to work, like work, quote unquote, you know, doing the things that we needed for survival, hunting, gathering, all that stuff about like 15 to 20 hours a week.
That was it. And then the rest of the time was socializing and creating art and raising children and doing all those things. Um, and so I say this to say like, we are not just naturally wired for productivity. That's not a thing. It is simply this culture that has created this conditioning, right? It is this culture that has decided that, you know, what is the most important thing?
Productivity. And they, we do this a number of ways, which is why I, I sort of just want you to become aware of it, to see it. 'cause oftentimes, like you, you, you know, fish doesn't know it's in water. Like you, you, we can't sort of see the air that we are breathing and it's all around us. And the more you become aware of it, the more you start [00:09:00] seeing it.
The easier it does become to notice like, huh, do I want to live by this made up rule? Like is this what I want in my life? And I will say, as an aside. We are getting better at noticing this, like the, the conversation is shifting. The cultural norms online are talking more about rest and, you know, burnout and, um, not wanting to live on this rat race.
So it's great. There is a little bit more momentum where like people are understanding like, Hey, this isn't good for anybody, right? This is not the way that we should live. The problem is, is that once you've been conditioned for so long to have a belief, and that belief sort of becomes part of your personality, it becomes part of your identity.
It's great to intellectually think about something and be like, you know what? I deserve more rest. I really should take it easy. I should delegate some of this stuff. I should hire some help. It sounds wonderful. But then when you come to do it, what you don't realize is that like you [00:10:00] start butting up against this subconscious, these beliefs of like, no, I'm only good as like how much I can produce.
Right. Who, I'm a terrible mom. If I hire someone to help me, I should be able to do it all. I should be able to, you know, my mom got it all done. Why can't I, right? You have those beliefs that start creating guilt and shame and all this other stuff. And so even if we're changing the cultural narrative, a lot of us haven't worked on our own beliefs about what we think about ourselves or what we think about how we want to show up in the world.
And so we give up very quickly. So like a really good example of this, if you wanna test this out for yourself and see what happens. Is spend 30 minutes, give yourself 30 minutes on like a Saturday to lay down and do nothing. Absolutely nothing. No like phone, no scrolling, no watching a show. Just like you can nap if you want, but just notice your brain.
Notice what your brain is saying to you, right? Because I think again, we all likely do have 30 [00:11:00] minutes. We could find 30 minutes, we could find an hour, but we don't let ourselves, why? And you wanna get to that answer for yourself. You wanna know like, what is my brain saying in that time? Like, oh, you really needed to get this project done.
Like, we're wasting time. There's not enough. You might as well go clean out the closet you're, you were supposed to do, you know, help your kid with their project. Whatever it is. It's just the constant onslaught of like, there's more, there's more. And so I want you to really become, start becoming aware.
That's like the first step is just the awareness. Okay. And in that awareness, I want you to understand where it comes from. We live in a society that is based on capitalism. And for capitalism it is very important for people to be productive, right? It is important for them to make us feel as though your worth is in how much you produce.
If you produce more, that is better, you are better. You are more worthy, you are more successful, right? And so this is sort of the, um, entire crux of capitalism. And it is a lot of the messaging that we get, you'll see tons of like [00:12:00] advertisement marketing about the underdog, the person that didn't get it up, the person that was working day and night, while everybody else was, you know, resting the person that was, uh, grinding.
And like, it's a very glorified story of this person. Defied all odds because they pushed three times harder than everybody else. And so you'll see a lot of like, you know, the 30 under thirties where we're just trying to create this like, oh my God, look how successful people are becoming so young and how much harder they push than everybody else.
You also start seeing like there's a lot of like the cultural, uh, you know, the hustle culture kind of narratives, like I said, like gotta give 110%, you know, and it's like when I, when they say jump, I say how high? And these things, like, they might just be sayings, but it's stuff that we've heard over and over, right?
What is it? Winners never quit. One of the reasons I started this podcast, because it's such an absurd thing, winners quit all the time. Actually, winners are the ones that know how to quit fastest because they realize like, Hey, this isn't working for [00:13:00] me. But we are inundated with like, well, you don't wanna be a loser.
Right. You don't wanna be someone that just quits or you don't wanna be someone that doesn't do all the things all the time. So on one side we have capitalism, which is like really needs workers, needs you. And school is sort of, that's the second thing, but like is what trains you in into becoming an employee, into becoming a worker.
So capitalism really does like also impact what school teaches. And then, so, and we're all, we all kind of grew up in the school system that teaches us that again, your goal is to get to close to perfect as possible. It doesn't matter what you have to do in order to do that. You got, you know, we're not giving out kind of like creativity awards.
We're not like, oh, you, you really tried your hard, I mean, we are now a little bit more, but you get what I'm saying is like, okay, you either failed and you're terrible and you should feel ashamed and we won't make you feel bad about yourself or you're good. And being good requires a lot of sacrifice. It requires a lot of work.
Um, also in school, I feel like it's become, again, part of this hustle [00:14:00] culture where it's like. Oh, it's just not enough to be good at one thing. Like you can't just be smart or you can't just be like athletic or you can't just be like a creative No, no, no, no. You have to be everything. You have to get good grades and you have to be in extracurr curricular activities and you have to show that you're a leader in some kind of leadership role and you have to be in athletics and you should likely speak another language and play an instrument and do all these other insane things, right?
So we start, uh, programming children from when they are literally. Uh, babies a couple of years old where it's like, come on, we gotta fill the time. You're, you're outta school now. You're gonna go to piano class, then you have to go to soccer. Right? We start, this is normal that there isn't a lot of free time, that there isn't time to just lolly gag if we still use those phrases, right?
Everything is regimented. Everything is like, how do we optimize, how do we optimize the time of the family? How do we optimize the time of everybody else? How do we make sure our kid is getting as enriched as possible? They have to make sure they're doing everything right and so we. [00:15:00] Subconsciously. It's not like we're telling our kids like, you are only good if you're doing a million things, but that is the message we're giving them that like, you can't be bored.
You don't have time to just lay around. There's so much to get done. You're already behind. I know I was feeling this like when my um, son was like seven or eight, he was in soccer. Like I'd put him in soccer. I don't know, I guess I'm an idiot and I didn't realize that like you're supposed to start having them in like extra trainings by like five years old.
By the time he was like seven or eight. He's in our like local kind of community soccer team and they have like tryouts for like if you, you know, are a little bit better than other kids, you can kind of be in this one. They have like another tier of like more kind of athletic children that are, you know, 'cause there's all levels and so there's sometimes when you're playing with some, a kid that doesn't wanna be there.
It's different for a kid that really does and whatnot. Anyways, so my son went to like these tryouts and. I just remember the shame I felt because the moms were [00:16:00] sitting there and like, oh, this is the first time you're trying out, like, he was eight. And they're like, I guess these extra teams had started at like five or six and I just didn't even know about him, so I didn't sign him up.
Um, and it was like, oh yeah, like, you know, little Billy has been coming since five and he's been on extra teams and he has a, you know, specialized coach that's teaching him goalie skills on Saturdays. And, and I am just listening to this and I'm like, he's eight. Like, is this a joke? Like, I honestly was like, I, I don't understand.
Then I, I did feel shame 'cause I was like, did I screw my kid? 'cause he can't make this team now. 'cause all these other kids have been doing it for like three or four years now and we're just starting. And I really had to like reel myself back and be like, this is insanity. He's a, I don't even know if he's gonna wanna play soccer in a year or two.
Like, why am I, I remember 'cause they had come like you just like. When you're in that Kool-Aid, you just don't see it. Like, I remember coming home and being like, we gotta get him a private coach. We gotta get him caught up. And luckily my [00:17:00] husband was like, settle down. What are you talking about? No, we don't.
And uh, luckily we passed that insanity. But I started just realizing like, you know, you see that now in sports. It's like back in the day. You could kind of walk in on a high school team, like you could make it to high school and be like, huh, maybe I wanna play basketball. No, no, no more. Because kids are starting at five years old and they're having, you know, private lessons on weekends and they're doing these teams.
And I remember, I, I have so many friends at this age now who have kids who are like in the, you know, seven to 11 range. Okay. So we're not even talking like 16 year olds, you know, 17 trying to get to college where their kids are in sports. For three or four hours a day, A every single day, three to four times a week.
Like they might be on specialized teams for gymnastics or soccer or whatnot. And it's this insane commitment for the kids, for the parents, for everybody, for the family. And that's just one aspect, like I'm just talking about. Sports, but [00:18:00] it's just an example because we do this with music and we do this, it's like everything is, oh my God, more, more.
They need to be doing more. I need more lessons, and they need more specialization because we all feel like we're gonna fall behind. And I really had to check myself when I was thinking about my son. I was like, okay, so he doesn't please soccer. I would rather him have some boredom in his life. I would rather him come from home from school and not have to compete at an elite level.
At nine years old, I would rather him try like he's now in jujitsu and wrestling and no one's creating a professional athlete over here. I'm five foot zero. That's not in the, in our jeans we're okay with it. Right? But I had to like sort of really check myself. 'cause I was like, oh, I'm jumping in this pool with them.
Like, oh my God, should I be doing more? And I was like, no, no, no. This is insanity. This is craziness and we're not getting involved. Now I have to deal with the, um, sort of judgment of some other parents. I have to deal with the fact that other people don't understand that. Other people are like, wait, you're not signing 'em up [00:19:00] for this special camp training that's two weeks long and it's eight hours a day and in the summer.
And I'm like, no, I'm not. And other people don't understand it, and that's okay. They can allow, they can have whatever thoughts they have. And I'm not saying I'm even like doing the right thing. Maybe my son will be pissed by the time he's in high school because I didn't do these things. But part of me, what I think my job is in ensuring his wellbeing is that he actually has some rest in his life and that he doesn't think that his only his worth is in some sport that is gonna end likely by the end of high school.
Right. Or whatever the, the equivalent might be. Maybe for someone else, it's like. In instruments or in grades or whatnot. But I just say this like this starts with school. It starts very young. It starts with work, it starts with capitalism. It starts with this idea of exceptionality at all costs all the time with putting in more work with grinding, right?
So that's one aspect of it. The other aspect is that we are raised in [00:20:00] a culture that is steeped in religious. What is the word? Conditioning? Um, it doesn't matter which religion truly, you know, I'm coming from America, which is like very heavily based in like a Puritan work ethic. But even if you're from another country, any other religion, a lot, well, not, I shouldn't say any, not all, but a lot of the religions.
Are very much used as tools to also keep people being productive members of society. And so they have a lot of conditioning that is like, your productivity equals your morality, right? So we have like saying it's like idle hands are the devil's playground, right? Sloth is one of the. Seven deadly sins, like you being a lazy person is a sin.
And so when you are raised in a religion that, or even if you're not, like, I was not religious, I wasn't raised in a, my [00:21:00] mother's religious, my father's not, I wasn't raised with religion, kind of forced upon me. Um, and so I don't consider myself, I mean now I'm not religious at all, but even growing up, I didn't really consider myself kind of being raised in a religious, uh, setting.
And yet. And yet, let me tell you, I have a lot of religious conditioning. We all do it. It's impossible to live in these societies and not have it. And so I want you to realize, like it also comes from that, right? Where it's like, um, what is, um, hard work is like close to godliness and there's, there's just all of these different things of like, what makes you a good person and then add upon that the patriarchy.
So for women especially, which, you know, we can see are the kind of. Worker ants a lot of times of these societies is because we are expected to carry everything we were expected to be multitaskers. We are taught from a very young age that our worth is in how much we can service other people. If you are [00:22:00] worthy to someone else, then that makes you worthy.
And so for a lot of us, we're constantly seeking that self-worth by being, um, helpful. Or needed by other people, whether that's our children, whether that's our spouse, whether that's our boss, whether that's our family, our extended family, whether it's the community, whether it's the PTA. Don't get me started on the PTA.
I get so angry. I get so angry. That our school systems are basically kept up by the free labor of women, right? We don't expect men to do it. But let me tell you, I'm surrounded by so many moms who spend so many hours, quote unquote, volunteering. I mean like they are volunteering, but they're basically working at the school for free because we don't pay them.
I mean, we also don't, don't pay our teachers, but another podcast for another time. But we rely on women who feel as though like, well, I wanna be a member of this community and I wanna feel needed. And so I'm just gonna keep giving and [00:23:00] giving and giving and expecting nothing in return. And like, I should be happy because I'm doing this for my children.
And yes, it's not to say that there isn't something, there is a beauty within community of everybody kind of doing their part if everybody was doing their part. I think that oftentimes it is very disproportionately put on women. And then we are expected to just be grateful for that opportunity to, you know, having a seat at the table.
And so you combine all of these things and for a lot of us, we just now have an inability to stop because we would have to confront so much of where our self-worth has come from. We would have to confront so much of, um. Whether we can be good enough if we are not being everything to everybody else, right?
If we are not the star employee, if we are not the A plus mom that volunteers at everything and you know, bakes fresh goods at home and you know, whatever other bullshit they've kind of got us to believe. Um. [00:24:00] It is. Unfortunately, even though we are having these co like conversations, it is sort of getting worse in a way.
You know, I think there's tons of studies that are showing that like, you know, moms a stay at home mom in the sixties spent less time with their children than working moms today, because now it's not that we just, we just keep adding new standards. Like, yeah, you should be a girl boss. And you should spend all of this time enriching the emotional wellbeing of your children.
And you should have them in 45 different activities and somehow be able to drive them around to all of those and you should, you know, work out and keep your physique and look young and all of these other things. And so it is no wonder that all of us are, um. Completely burned out and exhausted. And so my takeaway for you from this and this, I didn't really even expect that it would just be sort of this history lesson of why we're all burned out.
But what I want us to understand before we kind of go into [00:25:00] any of this is that two things. One is that no one else is gonna save us. No one else is gonna change this. Everybody else is drinking that Kool-Aid. So when you slow down, or when you say like, you know what? I'm not gonna volunteer at the school, I'm not gonna be a room parent, I'm not gonna organize the party, I'm not gonna do any of this stuff.
Other people will judge you. Other people might think like, wow, you're not involved at all in your kids' lives. Or you, you know. I don't know, tons of thoughts that people have. Um, or if you decide like, Hey, I don't want to get a promotion and I don't wanna keep rising in the ranks and I don't wanna work this much and I don't want to, it's like, oh, you're sort of giving up on yourself, or you are, um, kind of taking a backseat to your family or whatever other, other thoughts people have.
Or if you just, even within your home, even if it's like, you know what, we're not gonna decorate for the holidays this year. I don't have the energy. I don't have the time. I'm not gonna put all the lights up. I'm not gonna organize that. And then it [00:26:00] becomes like, huh, you're really ruining your kids' experience of the holidays, or like you're being really lazy, or whatever it is, right?
Whatever the thought is. There's gonna be tons of people that have, well, what do you do all day? What do you do on the weekends? Right? It's like, I rest, I do things that I enjoy. I have hobbies. Everybody wants that soft life. Okay, everybody, we talk about this soft life so much on Instagram. Everybody wants it.
It sounds so glorious. Like, of course I want rest and I want ease, and I want calm and peace. But nobody wants to be the one that actually implements it like you. You don't wanna give up the things that you have to give up in order to have that. It's actually really hard work. It's not easy, and especially in the beginning because as soon as you start to do these things, your brain is gonna be screaming at you that you're being lazy.
You're gonna ruin your kids' lives, you're gonna ruin your marriage, you're gonna give up all these opportunities. There's something wrong with you. And so you have to be able to combat that, those beliefs. You have to be able to [00:27:00] show yourself a new belief. You have to be able to practice new, new thoughts that allow you to have rest that allow you to.
Uh, delegate or eliminate things or not take on things without guilt. That is your, uh, job. And the reason I want you to know this is because I think we all just ma want some magic cure to not be burned out. We want someone to just tell us like, well, how do I do this? But then when I tell people how to do it, they don't wanna do it because it's hard.
'cause then it requires disappointing people. Then it requires boundaries, right? It requires you to say no. It requires you to not get all the gold stars. It requires you to maybe let go of a dream or two and say like, you know what? I just don't have the bandwidth to start a side hustle or to whatever it might be.
And that's hard, and that's the sacrifice, and it's still worth it. It's so worth it, but it's something that you [00:28:00] have to kind of consciously decide for yourself. Is gonna be more worth the discomfort of disappointing people or saying no, or becoming, you know, not the perfect husband, wife, son, daughter, whatever, employee.
That's the cost. Unfortunately. I know that's the bad news. The good news is that then you get to live your life with a lot more ease. You, you like. Once you can kind of go through this. River of misery. You get to, I mean, the, the kind of, there's no other way, but through it, right? You can't, you can't bypass this.
And once you go through that, there is so much ease. There is so much ability to say no. There is this new skill, this new identity of like, I'm not a person that runs myself ragged. I'm not a person that thinks that my self worth is tied into how much I do. I am not busy all the time. I actually create space and then I don't fill it, which is, by the way, another thing we do.[00:29:00]
So it's like I might delegate something, but then I'm like, okay, well then now that I have this time, I gotta fill it with something else because we haven't dealt with the underlying thoughts. So my, um, challenge to you is to allow those thoughts to come up, right? Is to decide what you wanna maybe get rid of and think about what would I think about myself if I did, if I decided that the kids.
Don't need to be in more than one sport, right? How would I feel? Because maybe they might be disappointed or maybe, you know, my parents might think that I should be putting them in more activities or whatnot. What are the thoughts that are gonna come up for that? And I want to like ask myself like, what do I want to believe here year?
Right? What else could be true? And just give yourself an opportunity to come up with a different thought, to come up with a thought of like, we deserve rest. Resting is just as important as playing all these sports or whatnot. Like how could it be the best thing for us to do this? Right? What are those thoughts that I wanna keep [00:30:00] practicing 'cause it's gonna keep coming up and you're gonna have to keep practicing it.
I'm gonna stop now because otherwise I can talk forever and it's already been, um, a 30 minute episode. I will be back next week 'cause I wanna talk to you about how even knowing all this, every time I try to implement something, all of the demons come up again. All of these like negative thoughts, all of this craziness.
So like recently. I decided on a whim to take off Fridays and Mondays, and I'm gonna talk to you about how that experiment went, um, how it's going and all of my thoughts that come along with it. So you can sort of see in real time, like when I talk about this stuff and when I choose one thing to do, um, how I sort of work through it and how I continue to work through it and why I think it's important and why I chose it.
So that's gonna be next week. I hope you all have a wonderful rest of your week, and I hope this was helpful and I'll be back to talk more about burnout and how we can overcome it. All right, my friends, I'll talk to you soon.
Hello my friends and welcome to another episode. I'm so excited to have you here. I'm doing a little new setup, so let me know what you think if like, the sound is better if you kind of like this format. I'm trying out a new software, so if you're watching it on YouTube, um, lemme know what you think. Okay.
I realize I rant about certain topics a lot in my, uh, community, in the, in the Quitter Club, which is my membership, which is where I do a lot of my coaching. And so the same things come O up over and over again. And I try to the best of my ability to bring a lot of that to the podcast. But I was looking over some past podcasts and I was like, I definitely don't talk about burnout enough on the podcast, which is a interesting thing 'cause it's like a major tenet, a major theme in everything I coach on because everybody is burned out.
And so I figured I would bring some more of it here. We actually just did a six week. Burnout Breakthrough Accelerator, where I sort of [00:01:00] condensed really the most important teachings that I think you need to kind of know about and implement, start implementing in your life if you're ever gonna overcome or burnout.
I'm actually thinking about just publishing that on the podcast like each week instead of a podcast episode, putting that on. Um, but I haven't decided yet, so no promises. At some point I'll make it available. I'm just trying to figure out what the best way that is to make that available to everybody.
But that is just to say that I've been doing that break, um, accelerator, kind of that class for six weeks. And so burnout is a lot on my mind and how I, I've been thinking a lot about like, how do I help people? Overcome it and how do I help people even notice it and start thinking about it differently?
And so I wanted to do a couple episodes that are gonna be about that. And I say this, like I'm sort of giving you a glimpse into how my mind works. I've jumped all over the place, so it's like I wanted to talk to you originally. This whole episode was [00:02:00] gonna be about. Something I recently implemented, which is taking Fridays and Mondays off, and I wanna talk about how I came to that decision, but then I start thinking about that and brainstorming that.
And then I'm like, well, we need to talk about this and then, but first we need to talk about this, but we need to great. Lay the groundwork for this. And so then I get like three episodes deep and I'm like, well, I can't talk about that until I do all this stuff. So that's, I'm taking you on a journey. I don't even know how long it's gonna be.
I don't know how many episodes, but hopefully. It'll be helpful and you'll come along for the ride. Um, but that's all to say. I did wanna sort of lay the groundwork about why everybody is so burned out and how I want you to sort of think about it in a little bit of a different way. Why it's so important to start reframing it.
Uh, because the people around you are not gonna do that for you. You have to do that for yourself. Unfortunately, no one is gonna save us. And if we want to have. More rest. If we want to have more joy. If we want [00:03:00] to just have a life that does not feel like we're on a hamster wheel all the time, we're the ones that have to make the changes.
And I think one of the biggest things that you have to get really okay with, clear with is that it's not gonna be celebrated. Like we're all so used to external validation and needing people to clap for us. And so that's sort of what got us into this mess, right? That's sort of like what got us to give 110% and always do a plus work and do all of these things that like made us quote unquote successful, right?
Made us like the top of the class, the, the a plus student, the, you know, star employee, whatever it is that we were going after. And we felt good for a hot second for a little bit. We got to feel good about ourselves. Until we felt exhausted and we're crashing out because we never get to sleep and we never get time off, and we never get time to enjoy the things we want.
And so when you are in a society like that, [00:04:00] when you decide to rest, when you decide to take time off, that's not something people are cheering. Like that's not something that people are. You know, they might say like, oh, good for you. But then secretly they're still drinking the Kool-Aid, so it's like, oh, she has really gotten really lazy, or she's really given up on herself, or whatever.
You know, the a, the sayings might be, and you sort of have to be okay with that. Your decision has to be, do I want a life where I get to actually enjoy myself? Um, or do I want everyone to think I'm good enough? Because if you look around for all of us, our productivity has become. Our self-worth, right? Our productivity has become that badge of honor.
What happens when you ask people how they are? What's like the number one answer? You get busy. Ugh, I'm just so busy. We're all so busy. Think about it. Like you wouldn't answer that way if there was a bad connotation with that, right? We all, and we all are busy. It's not to say we're gonna talk about that.
We all are extremely busy because we keep packing our lives [00:05:00] with all of these things that we don't want to do, and it requires us to be like, Hey. I don't wanna do this anymore. This is not working for me. Okay. And so that's what I wanna talk to you about. We're gonna sort of bring it back a little bit because I want you to really understand where this need and this drive to constantly be productive comes from.
I think for a lot of us, we think, well, I just feel better when I do things. I just feel better when I get through my to-do list. I just feel better when I have a product like productive day, right? You likely feel worse when you don't, when you're procrastinating or you know, you spend all day and you're like.
What did I even get done today? Like I didn't even do anything and you feel like crap and then you beat yourself up and you're like, oh, this feels terrible. So I've just learned that like when I actually like push myself and get myself in gear and get things done, then I can feel good. Then I feel okay.
So it's like it's just the way, the [00:06:00] thing that makes me feel good. It's not just anything, right? It's been purposefully and over decades and decades ingrained in you that you are only allowed to feel good when you get things done right. It's not like it's just magically like humans are born and we just like to be productive.
That's not a thing. In fact, I would say the opposite is the thing. If you look at human nature, if you look at how we are, how most animals are, we would spend most of our time actually resting. 'cause that's what your body needs. If you look at how the brain works, the brain is not meant to focus for long periods of time.
It truly cannot sustain it. Your brain is what uses most of the energy comparative to its size, by the way, not like most energy in your body, but like comparative to its size. It. You needs the most calories because it is the thing that is working the hardest, right? And part of your brain's entire goal is to be as automatic as possible to conserve energy because your entire body's goal is to stay alive.
That's it. Your brain's [00:07:00] job is to stay alive. It does not care if you're happy. It doesn't care if you met your goals. It doesn't care if you are gonna get a promotion. It needs you to be alive. And so. If you've noticed that our brain very quickly creates kind of, um, patterns that become automatic when you, like, don't notice how you're driving to work or whatnot, right?
'cause you're taking the same route that is by design. 'cause your brain can't constantly be like, as a good example, you know, when you drive somewhere new, if you're gonna a new city. You're hyper aware of everything. You're constantly having to scan. You need to know like what street is this? Is it this one?
Do I turn left here or Right? Right. You're using a lot of energy 'cause you don't know what the hell you're doing and so you're trying to figure it out. Once you've done it a couple of times, your brain's like, all right, we got this. We know it's the second right. Then another left and then we park there.
Right. I know what I'm doing and so I don't have to be as vigilant. I don't have to be, as you know, awake. And so you sort of go on this automatic mode. That's all to say that is the entire kind of point of what your body is supposed to do. If you look [00:08:00] at, um, 90% of human history, they've done tons and tons of studies and they look at like hunter gatherers, societies, and what anthropologists are now finding is that people used to work, like work, quote unquote, you know, doing the things that we needed for survival, hunting, gathering, all that stuff about like 15 to 20 hours a week.
That was it. And then the rest of the time was socializing and creating art and raising children and doing all those things. Um, and so I say this to say like, we are not just naturally wired for productivity. That's not a thing. It is simply this culture that has created this conditioning, right? It is this culture that has decided that, you know, what is the most important thing?
Productivity. And they, we do this a number of ways, which is why I, I sort of just want you to become aware of it, to see it. 'cause oftentimes, like you, you, you know, fish doesn't know it's in water. Like you, you, we can't sort of see the air that we are breathing and it's all around us. And the more you become aware of it, the more you start [00:09:00] seeing it.
The easier it does become to notice like, huh, do I want to live by this made up rule? Like is this what I want in my life? And I will say, as an aside. We are getting better at noticing this, like the, the conversation is shifting. The cultural norms online are talking more about rest and, you know, burnout and, um, not wanting to live on this rat race.
So it's great. There is a little bit more momentum where like people are understanding like, Hey, this isn't good for anybody, right? This is not the way that we should live. The problem is, is that once you've been conditioned for so long to have a belief, and that belief sort of becomes part of your personality, it becomes part of your identity.
It's great to intellectually think about something and be like, you know what? I deserve more rest. I really should take it easy. I should delegate some of this stuff. I should hire some help. It sounds wonderful. But then when you come to do it, what you don't realize is that like you [00:10:00] start butting up against this subconscious, these beliefs of like, no, I'm only good as like how much I can produce.
Right. Who, I'm a terrible mom. If I hire someone to help me, I should be able to do it all. I should be able to, you know, my mom got it all done. Why can't I, right? You have those beliefs that start creating guilt and shame and all this other stuff. And so even if we're changing the cultural narrative, a lot of us haven't worked on our own beliefs about what we think about ourselves or what we think about how we want to show up in the world.
And so we give up very quickly. So like a really good example of this, if you wanna test this out for yourself and see what happens. Is spend 30 minutes, give yourself 30 minutes on like a Saturday to lay down and do nothing. Absolutely nothing. No like phone, no scrolling, no watching a show. Just like you can nap if you want, but just notice your brain.
Notice what your brain is saying to you, right? Because I think again, we all likely do have 30 [00:11:00] minutes. We could find 30 minutes, we could find an hour, but we don't let ourselves, why? And you wanna get to that answer for yourself. You wanna know like, what is my brain saying in that time? Like, oh, you really needed to get this project done.
Like, we're wasting time. There's not enough. You might as well go clean out the closet you're, you were supposed to do, you know, help your kid with their project. Whatever it is. It's just the constant onslaught of like, there's more, there's more. And so I want you to really become, start becoming aware.
That's like the first step is just the awareness. Okay. And in that awareness, I want you to understand where it comes from. We live in a society that is based on capitalism. And for capitalism it is very important for people to be productive, right? It is important for them to make us feel as though your worth is in how much you produce.
If you produce more, that is better, you are better. You are more worthy, you are more successful, right? And so this is sort of the, um, entire crux of capitalism. And it is a lot of the messaging that we get, you'll see tons of like [00:12:00] advertisement marketing about the underdog, the person that didn't get it up, the person that was working day and night, while everybody else was, you know, resting the person that was, uh, grinding.
And like, it's a very glorified story of this person. Defied all odds because they pushed three times harder than everybody else. And so you'll see a lot of like, you know, the 30 under thirties where we're just trying to create this like, oh my God, look how successful people are becoming so young and how much harder they push than everybody else.
You also start seeing like there's a lot of like the cultural, uh, you know, the hustle culture kind of narratives, like I said, like gotta give 110%, you know, and it's like when I, when they say jump, I say how high? And these things, like, they might just be sayings, but it's stuff that we've heard over and over, right?
What is it? Winners never quit. One of the reasons I started this podcast, because it's such an absurd thing, winners quit all the time. Actually, winners are the ones that know how to quit fastest because they realize like, Hey, this isn't working for [00:13:00] me. But we are inundated with like, well, you don't wanna be a loser.
Right. You don't wanna be someone that just quits or you don't wanna be someone that doesn't do all the things all the time. So on one side we have capitalism, which is like really needs workers, needs you. And school is sort of, that's the second thing, but like is what trains you in into becoming an employee, into becoming a worker.
So capitalism really does like also impact what school teaches. And then, so, and we're all, we all kind of grew up in the school system that teaches us that again, your goal is to get to close to perfect as possible. It doesn't matter what you have to do in order to do that. You got, you know, we're not giving out kind of like creativity awards.
We're not like, oh, you, you really tried your hard, I mean, we are now a little bit more, but you get what I'm saying is like, okay, you either failed and you're terrible and you should feel ashamed and we won't make you feel bad about yourself or you're good. And being good requires a lot of sacrifice. It requires a lot of work.
Um, also in school, I feel like it's become, again, part of this hustle [00:14:00] culture where it's like. Oh, it's just not enough to be good at one thing. Like you can't just be smart or you can't just be like athletic or you can't just be like a creative No, no, no, no. You have to be everything. You have to get good grades and you have to be in extracurr curricular activities and you have to show that you're a leader in some kind of leadership role and you have to be in athletics and you should likely speak another language and play an instrument and do all these other insane things, right?
So we start, uh, programming children from when they are literally. Uh, babies a couple of years old where it's like, come on, we gotta fill the time. You're, you're outta school now. You're gonna go to piano class, then you have to go to soccer. Right? We start, this is normal that there isn't a lot of free time, that there isn't time to just lolly gag if we still use those phrases, right?
Everything is regimented. Everything is like, how do we optimize, how do we optimize the time of the family? How do we optimize the time of everybody else? How do we make sure our kid is getting as enriched as possible? They have to make sure they're doing everything right and so we. [00:15:00] Subconsciously. It's not like we're telling our kids like, you are only good if you're doing a million things, but that is the message we're giving them that like, you can't be bored.
You don't have time to just lay around. There's so much to get done. You're already behind. I know I was feeling this like when my um, son was like seven or eight, he was in soccer. Like I'd put him in soccer. I don't know, I guess I'm an idiot and I didn't realize that like you're supposed to start having them in like extra trainings by like five years old.
By the time he was like seven or eight. He's in our like local kind of community soccer team and they have like tryouts for like if you, you know, are a little bit better than other kids, you can kind of be in this one. They have like another tier of like more kind of athletic children that are, you know, 'cause there's all levels and so there's sometimes when you're playing with some, a kid that doesn't wanna be there.
It's different for a kid that really does and whatnot. Anyways, so my son went to like these tryouts and. I just remember the shame I felt because the moms were [00:16:00] sitting there and like, oh, this is the first time you're trying out, like, he was eight. And they're like, I guess these extra teams had started at like five or six and I just didn't even know about him, so I didn't sign him up.
Um, and it was like, oh yeah, like, you know, little Billy has been coming since five and he's been on extra teams and he has a, you know, specialized coach that's teaching him goalie skills on Saturdays. And, and I am just listening to this and I'm like, he's eight. Like, is this a joke? Like, I honestly was like, I, I don't understand.
Then I, I did feel shame 'cause I was like, did I screw my kid? 'cause he can't make this team now. 'cause all these other kids have been doing it for like three or four years now and we're just starting. And I really had to like reel myself back and be like, this is insanity. He's a, I don't even know if he's gonna wanna play soccer in a year or two.
Like, why am I, I remember 'cause they had come like you just like. When you're in that Kool-Aid, you just don't see it. Like, I remember coming home and being like, we gotta get him a private coach. We gotta get him caught up. And luckily my [00:17:00] husband was like, settle down. What are you talking about? No, we don't.
And uh, luckily we passed that insanity. But I started just realizing like, you know, you see that now in sports. It's like back in the day. You could kind of walk in on a high school team, like you could make it to high school and be like, huh, maybe I wanna play basketball. No, no, no more. Because kids are starting at five years old and they're having, you know, private lessons on weekends and they're doing these teams.
And I remember, I, I have so many friends at this age now who have kids who are like in the, you know, seven to 11 range. Okay. So we're not even talking like 16 year olds, you know, 17 trying to get to college where their kids are in sports. For three or four hours a day, A every single day, three to four times a week.
Like they might be on specialized teams for gymnastics or soccer or whatnot. And it's this insane commitment for the kids, for the parents, for everybody, for the family. And that's just one aspect, like I'm just talking about. Sports, but [00:18:00] it's just an example because we do this with music and we do this, it's like everything is, oh my God, more, more.
They need to be doing more. I need more lessons, and they need more specialization because we all feel like we're gonna fall behind. And I really had to check myself when I was thinking about my son. I was like, okay, so he doesn't please soccer. I would rather him have some boredom in his life. I would rather him come from home from school and not have to compete at an elite level.
At nine years old, I would rather him try like he's now in jujitsu and wrestling and no one's creating a professional athlete over here. I'm five foot zero. That's not in the, in our jeans we're okay with it. Right? But I had to like sort of really check myself. 'cause I was like, oh, I'm jumping in this pool with them.
Like, oh my God, should I be doing more? And I was like, no, no, no. This is insanity. This is craziness and we're not getting involved. Now I have to deal with the, um, sort of judgment of some other parents. I have to deal with the fact that other people don't understand that. Other people are like, wait, you're not signing 'em up [00:19:00] for this special camp training that's two weeks long and it's eight hours a day and in the summer.
And I'm like, no, I'm not. And other people don't understand it, and that's okay. They can allow, they can have whatever thoughts they have. And I'm not saying I'm even like doing the right thing. Maybe my son will be pissed by the time he's in high school because I didn't do these things. But part of me, what I think my job is in ensuring his wellbeing is that he actually has some rest in his life and that he doesn't think that his only his worth is in some sport that is gonna end likely by the end of high school.
Right. Or whatever the, the equivalent might be. Maybe for someone else, it's like. In instruments or in grades or whatnot. But I just say this like this starts with school. It starts very young. It starts with work, it starts with capitalism. It starts with this idea of exceptionality at all costs all the time with putting in more work with grinding, right?
So that's one aspect of it. The other aspect is that we are raised in [00:20:00] a culture that is steeped in religious. What is the word? Conditioning? Um, it doesn't matter which religion truly, you know, I'm coming from America, which is like very heavily based in like a Puritan work ethic. But even if you're from another country, any other religion, a lot, well, not, I shouldn't say any, not all, but a lot of the religions.
Are very much used as tools to also keep people being productive members of society. And so they have a lot of conditioning that is like, your productivity equals your morality, right? So we have like saying it's like idle hands are the devil's playground, right? Sloth is one of the. Seven deadly sins, like you being a lazy person is a sin.
And so when you are raised in a religion that, or even if you're not, like, I was not religious, I wasn't raised in a, my [00:21:00] mother's religious, my father's not, I wasn't raised with religion, kind of forced upon me. Um, and so I don't consider myself, I mean now I'm not religious at all, but even growing up, I didn't really consider myself kind of being raised in a religious, uh, setting.
And yet. And yet, let me tell you, I have a lot of religious conditioning. We all do it. It's impossible to live in these societies and not have it. And so I want you to realize, like it also comes from that, right? Where it's like, um, what is, um, hard work is like close to godliness and there's, there's just all of these different things of like, what makes you a good person and then add upon that the patriarchy.
So for women especially, which, you know, we can see are the kind of. Worker ants a lot of times of these societies is because we are expected to carry everything we were expected to be multitaskers. We are taught from a very young age that our worth is in how much we can service other people. If you are [00:22:00] worthy to someone else, then that makes you worthy.
And so for a lot of us, we're constantly seeking that self-worth by being, um, helpful. Or needed by other people, whether that's our children, whether that's our spouse, whether that's our boss, whether that's our family, our extended family, whether it's the community, whether it's the PTA. Don't get me started on the PTA.
I get so angry. I get so angry. That our school systems are basically kept up by the free labor of women, right? We don't expect men to do it. But let me tell you, I'm surrounded by so many moms who spend so many hours, quote unquote, volunteering. I mean like they are volunteering, but they're basically working at the school for free because we don't pay them.
I mean, we also don't, don't pay our teachers, but another podcast for another time. But we rely on women who feel as though like, well, I wanna be a member of this community and I wanna feel needed. And so I'm just gonna keep giving and [00:23:00] giving and giving and expecting nothing in return. And like, I should be happy because I'm doing this for my children.
And yes, it's not to say that there isn't something, there is a beauty within community of everybody kind of doing their part if everybody was doing their part. I think that oftentimes it is very disproportionately put on women. And then we are expected to just be grateful for that opportunity to, you know, having a seat at the table.
And so you combine all of these things and for a lot of us, we just now have an inability to stop because we would have to confront so much of where our self-worth has come from. We would have to confront so much of, um. Whether we can be good enough if we are not being everything to everybody else, right?
If we are not the star employee, if we are not the A plus mom that volunteers at everything and you know, bakes fresh goods at home and you know, whatever other bullshit they've kind of got us to believe. Um. [00:24:00] It is. Unfortunately, even though we are having these co like conversations, it is sort of getting worse in a way.
You know, I think there's tons of studies that are showing that like, you know, moms a stay at home mom in the sixties spent less time with their children than working moms today, because now it's not that we just, we just keep adding new standards. Like, yeah, you should be a girl boss. And you should spend all of this time enriching the emotional wellbeing of your children.
And you should have them in 45 different activities and somehow be able to drive them around to all of those and you should, you know, work out and keep your physique and look young and all of these other things. And so it is no wonder that all of us are, um. Completely burned out and exhausted. And so my takeaway for you from this and this, I didn't really even expect that it would just be sort of this history lesson of why we're all burned out.
But what I want us to understand before we kind of go into [00:25:00] any of this is that two things. One is that no one else is gonna save us. No one else is gonna change this. Everybody else is drinking that Kool-Aid. So when you slow down, or when you say like, you know what? I'm not gonna volunteer at the school, I'm not gonna be a room parent, I'm not gonna organize the party, I'm not gonna do any of this stuff.
Other people will judge you. Other people might think like, wow, you're not involved at all in your kids' lives. Or you, you know. I don't know, tons of thoughts that people have. Um, or if you decide like, Hey, I don't want to get a promotion and I don't wanna keep rising in the ranks and I don't wanna work this much and I don't want to, it's like, oh, you're sort of giving up on yourself, or you are, um, kind of taking a backseat to your family or whatever other, other thoughts people have.
Or if you just, even within your home, even if it's like, you know what, we're not gonna decorate for the holidays this year. I don't have the energy. I don't have the time. I'm not gonna put all the lights up. I'm not gonna organize that. And then it [00:26:00] becomes like, huh, you're really ruining your kids' experience of the holidays, or like you're being really lazy, or whatever it is, right?
Whatever the thought is. There's gonna be tons of people that have, well, what do you do all day? What do you do on the weekends? Right? It's like, I rest, I do things that I enjoy. I have hobbies. Everybody wants that soft life. Okay, everybody, we talk about this soft life so much on Instagram. Everybody wants it.
It sounds so glorious. Like, of course I want rest and I want ease, and I want calm and peace. But nobody wants to be the one that actually implements it like you. You don't wanna give up the things that you have to give up in order to have that. It's actually really hard work. It's not easy, and especially in the beginning because as soon as you start to do these things, your brain is gonna be screaming at you that you're being lazy.
You're gonna ruin your kids' lives, you're gonna ruin your marriage, you're gonna give up all these opportunities. There's something wrong with you. And so you have to be able to combat that, those beliefs. You have to be able to [00:27:00] show yourself a new belief. You have to be able to practice new, new thoughts that allow you to have rest that allow you to.
Uh, delegate or eliminate things or not take on things without guilt. That is your, uh, job. And the reason I want you to know this is because I think we all just ma want some magic cure to not be burned out. We want someone to just tell us like, well, how do I do this? But then when I tell people how to do it, they don't wanna do it because it's hard.
'cause then it requires disappointing people. Then it requires boundaries, right? It requires you to say no. It requires you to not get all the gold stars. It requires you to maybe let go of a dream or two and say like, you know what? I just don't have the bandwidth to start a side hustle or to whatever it might be.
And that's hard, and that's the sacrifice, and it's still worth it. It's so worth it, but it's something that you [00:28:00] have to kind of consciously decide for yourself. Is gonna be more worth the discomfort of disappointing people or saying no, or becoming, you know, not the perfect husband, wife, son, daughter, whatever, employee.
That's the cost. Unfortunately. I know that's the bad news. The good news is that then you get to live your life with a lot more ease. You, you like. Once you can kind of go through this. River of misery. You get to, I mean, the, the kind of, there's no other way, but through it, right? You can't, you can't bypass this.
And once you go through that, there is so much ease. There is so much ability to say no. There is this new skill, this new identity of like, I'm not a person that runs myself ragged. I'm not a person that thinks that my self worth is tied into how much I do. I am not busy all the time. I actually create space and then I don't fill it, which is, by the way, another thing we do.[00:29:00]
So it's like I might delegate something, but then I'm like, okay, well then now that I have this time, I gotta fill it with something else because we haven't dealt with the underlying thoughts. So my, um, challenge to you is to allow those thoughts to come up, right? Is to decide what you wanna maybe get rid of and think about what would I think about myself if I did, if I decided that the kids.
Don't need to be in more than one sport, right? How would I feel? Because maybe they might be disappointed or maybe, you know, my parents might think that I should be putting them in more activities or whatnot. What are the thoughts that are gonna come up for that? And I want to like ask myself like, what do I want to believe here year?
Right? What else could be true? And just give yourself an opportunity to come up with a different thought, to come up with a thought of like, we deserve rest. Resting is just as important as playing all these sports or whatnot. Like how could it be the best thing for us to do this? Right? What are those thoughts that I wanna keep [00:30:00] practicing 'cause it's gonna keep coming up and you're gonna have to keep practicing it.
I'm gonna stop now because otherwise I can talk forever and it's already been, um, a 30 minute episode. I will be back next week 'cause I wanna talk to you about how even knowing all this, every time I try to implement something, all of the demons come up again. All of these like negative thoughts, all of this craziness.
So like recently. I decided on a whim to take off Fridays and Mondays, and I'm gonna talk to you about how that experiment went, um, how it's going and all of my thoughts that come along with it. So you can sort of see in real time, like when I talk about this stuff and when I choose one thing to do, um, how I sort of work through it and how I continue to work through it and why I think it's important and why I chose it.
So that's gonna be next week. I hope you all have a wonderful rest of your week, and I hope this was helpful and I'll be back to talk more about burnout and how we can overcome it. All right, my friends, I'll talk to you soon.
